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*A small slice of one of the MULTIPLE pro-anti-Gaza/Palestine arguments. from youtube:

David Chiodo: I support peace…
+Himilo Communication Yes… and Hamas never kills innocent woman and children…
 

Anne Beckett:  +David Chiodo  PROVE IT.  Show one FACT about Hamas murdering either a woman OR a child.
Hamas is NOT the boogeyman you have made them out to be.  They are not a, “terrorist org”.  They aren’t even a military group.
And, it has not been Hamas shooting these essential fireworks into EMPTY FIELDS in, “israel”, (stolen from PALESTINE.)  One of the main ideas behind this latst/(sic) current barrage of MURDER on Palestine was to take another slice of LAND from Gazans. “IsraHELL is cutting away another forty-percent OF Gaza for their OWN use..; for the squatters they call, settlers.
You really ought to wake the heck up. 

David Chiod:  Every freaking time they strap explosives to a ‘martyr’ and have them detonate it inside a crowded market.  What I don’t understand is if Muslims truly think that it is God’s will that they kill Jews…and Gentiles for that matter… and God is infallible…  then why did God create Jews and Gentiles in the first place?

Anne Beckett   IF there is a god and this god created anything, it would be PEOPLE this god created, not, “jews and gentiles”..  That separation of people into groups came from?? JEWS.  If you read the bible (by man, not written by any, “god”) you should realize it was a product of world jewry.

That you go along with it is (almost) amusing.
NO GOD would go along with the MURDEROUS ATTACK*s* on Gaza and all of Palestine.  I mean, do you think any god WOULD?  If so, why, “create… gentiles”, in the first place?  — for SPORT?
I mean;  does any of what comes out of your thick head actually make ANY sense?  Honestly, guy;  that idea (all of it) is NUTTS.

IF you are not a Jew, why would you think Jews, “chosen”?  That’s a nutbag idea..  and ideology.
I would laugh, but so many babies and mothers are DYING because of this thought-process, that it makes me sick.  Have you never really considered what it is you believe in??  really??

By the way:  WHEN was the last, “martyr”, created?  WHEN was the last time ANYONE, “strapped explosives”, to his or her chest in order to take out the  jews?  If you don’t know, I can give you a hint..  (ten years ago).  And, still.  HOW desperate would one be in order to do this?  WHAT would cause such desperation?  Have you ever pondered this idea?

Start thinking.  Stop just, “believing”, based on someone else’s ideas.  OKAY?

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And, a voice of reason:
+Anne Beckett WOW, You go girl. 
DO people actually cotten-to the idea that their GOD or any god has made Jews & Gentiles? Did this god make two different groups?  Or is it three groups?  Four?  How many large religions are there, in this world, and would any god make these different groups for a reason?  What would the reason be, if so?  Do Christians actually believe the Jews  a CHOSEN Race, better in every way than themselves?  If they do think Jews are chosen and going to wherever it is the chosen people go (or stay?) after death, why are they not ALL clammoring to the synogogues in order to BECOME JEWS?  
Or, is this because they ALSO believe Jews are Jewish,by BLOOD?  Would this be the main reason behind ethnic-Jewry?  I will say this:  the whole thing makes very little sense to a thinking person!
In case you’d like to see the whole back-and-fro, check out this link:
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Will 2013 be the Year American Jews Secede from Israel?.

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Will 2013 be the Year American Jews Secede from Israel?

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If American Jews think that what is being done in their name is self-destructive, oppressive, blockheaded and wrong, it stands to reason they would want it to stop.

ed note–generally I find Burston’s ideas tolerable, as he does not have that mad dog disposition that seems to go hand in hand with organized Jewish interests.

HOWEVER, the real question that Burston & co need to be asking here is not whether there is going to be a mass secession from Israel on the part of American (and worldwide, for that matter) Jews, but rather there is going to be a secession from JUDAISM.

Israel, Zionism and all their siblings, cousins, aunts, uncles, etc, all spring forth from one common well, and it is JUDAISM. It has been the source of conflict the VERY MOMENT it was put into practice thousands of years ago and remains so today.

Until there are more Gilad Atzmons out there willing to have this discussion, the Jewish problem–affecting both Jew and Gentile alike–will continue on until the consummation of the world takes place.

Haaretz

By Bradley Burston

One day in the future, when it all comes horribly down, will Israelis finally realize that there were warning signs all along?

More to the point of the ultimate survival of Israel, could it be that when the real alarm sounds, when the genuine danger impends, Israelis won’t hear a thing?

The answers may lie in how Israelis react to the canary in the coal mine, their forward recon unit in the world, the American Jewish community.

In fact, as the new year dawns, there are mounting signs that 2013 may be the year in which U.S. Jews – in the main, liberal in outlook, committed to tolerance, pluralism, and a vigorous, sincere pursuit of peace – effectively secede from this state of Israel.

They remain committed to supporting the existence of an Israel which balances Israeli and Jewish culture with respect for minority rights, democratic values. They will stay active in promoting the welfare of Israel’s disadvantaged.

But many American Jews are already distancing themselves in word and deed from a government it sees as arrogant and short-sighted, enslaved to a runaway train of settlement, dismissive of the rights of Palestinians and other non-Jews, cold to the concerns of a sinking middle class and the drowning disadvantaged, contemptuous of the concerns of the larger Jewish world.

The catalysts: settlement expansion – especially as it strikes at Israeli-Palestinian peace prospects and mocks Washington – and backhanded insensitivity to the rights and ritual of non-Orthodox Jews.

In recent weeks, some of Israel’s most influential defenders in the States have warned of hardline Israeli policies and parties which could lead “to the destruction (the self-destruction) of Israel” (Jeffrey Goldberg, The Atlantic), and “national suicide” (Thomas Friedman).

Israeli leaders lent them not so much as a deaf ear. Nothing.

Even when the issue touches directly on the religious concerns of American Jewry, the government’s response is as dismissive and condescending as it is dishonest.

Last week, waking, years in arrears, to discover that U.S. Jews are appalled by continuing arrests for violating Orthodox-ordered prohibitions on women praying aloud and wearing prayer shawls by the Western Wall, the prime minister appointed Natan Sharansky to look into the matter.

Within hours, however, the Prime Minister’s Office rushed out a message aimed at Israelis, indicating that the appointment was largely a charade.

“There are no changes in prayer arrangements at the Western Wall and no committee has been established,” Netanyahu’s office was quoted as saying.

There are Israelis who will do anything not to be reminded that American support, anchored by U.S. Jewry, is the strategic asset which makes all other strategic assets possible. The 2012 election, after all, saw prominent members of the ruling Likud-Beiteinu, notably Knesset Deputy Speaker Danny Danon, actively campaigning for the defeat of President Obama.

But that was then.

Now, as Israel’s election campaign nears its home stretch, the heavily favored Likud-Beiteinu party, which encompasses the principal authors of nearly all of the anti-democratic legislation of the last four years, offers fresh voices and perilous new avenues for alienating American Jews from Israel.

There is, for example, Moshe Feiglin, who will enter the Knesset following the January 22 election. Something of his political philosophy can be gleaned from a 2004 article on radical settlers, in which Feiglin spoke to Goldberg, then writing in the New Yorker:

“Why should non-Jews have a say in the policy of a Jewish state?” Feiglin said to me. “For two thousand years, Jews dreamed of a Jewish state, not a democratic state. Democracy should serve the values of the state, not destroy them.” In any case, Feiglin said, “You can’t teach a monkey to speak and you can’t teach an Arab to be democratic. You’re dealing with a culture of thieves and robbers. Muhammad, their prophet, was a robber and a killer and a liar. The Arab destroys everything he touches.”

Then there is political novice Yair Shamir, catapulted from nowhere to the very upper level of Likud-Beiteinu, thanks in part to his late father’s prime ministerial heritage of having warred with then-president George H.W. Bush over the issue of settlement construction.

Last week, an opinion piece by Yair Shamir was headlined, “In Israel-US relations, settlements are entirely beside the point.”

Wrong. As his father once inadvertently proved.

But candidate Shamir went further. Taking up where Danon left off, Shamir attacked Obama’s nomination of John Kerry as secretary of state – over settlements. In essence, Shamir made acquiescence to settlement construction a condition of Israel-U.S. ties: “Many are liable to feel that his nomination will deter Israel from implementing its decision to build thousands of apartments in Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria, and will be viewed as an obstacle to Israel-U.S. relations.”

American Jews want to know what is being done in their name. In the name of Judaism. And if they think that it is self-destructive, oppressive, blockheaded and wrong, it stands to reason they would want it to stop.

American Jews are tiring of being told that opposing Israel’s policies puts Israelis in danger. Blackmail is not persuasion. If the hard right is so certain that it can get along without American Jewish support, it may all too soon get the chance to find out.